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Guess I'm not welcomed

Oh, sorry - thought it was obvious, and intended as humor.

Lemme try it this way: In a land where the "Supreme Law of the Land" doesn't allow the nation to "repel invasion" -- say SOME who put their hand on a Bible and lied -- one might think "established law" is a non-sequitor.

And when it comes to polygyny (which is what I was really thinking) - "established law" might be claimed to be the USSC 'Reynolds' case 'outlawing' polygyny, First Amendment be-damned. And some, who don't know any better, will even think it's "illegal" without a License from Big Brother.

The real "law" is either His - especially when it comes to faith, marriage, and worship - or it's nothing more than Established Opinion. And subject to change...
 
I just wanted to make sure.

No, I meant law established by God (i.e. written word, Torah) indisputable words in black and white, not applied law.
 
Mojo said:
I don’t see that definition in scripture.

I don’t like to build a doctrine on one verse, but it is the concept that most of us use to deflect from accusations that polygyny is sin. Sin is a transgression of established law.

“Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.”
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Disobeying His Laws wouldn’t be disobeying Him?
 
steve said:
Disobeying His Laws wouldn’t be disobeying Him?
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Yes, but then we get into “Spirit” discussions.

Some anti polygyny folks will say, “Gods Spirit tells me that polygyny is wrong and I don’t want to go against what God says, and neither should you.”

Written word would contradict that. What trumps what?
 
Mark C said:
"Idolatry" is about as good an example of "bad 'theology'" as you can find.

Isn't that clear enough?
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Then all you’ve done is substituted “bad theology” for the word “sin” and you’ve accomplished nothing. You still are barred from disfellowshipping over anything but a very limited amount of “bad theology”.
 
Mojo said:
I’ve got no real dog in this fight.

Am I understanding your overall point to be:

Consistency in our proposition that no man can bring of charge of “sin” to polygyny, we must be careful in how we use “logical” conclusions about sin? If it’s not explicitly written, we can’t give it an explicit designation?
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No. My contention is that we can’t anathematize ideas. Arius was not a “heretic”. Nestor was not a “heretic”. They had ideas about the Trinity that were unique and nuanced. Im Arius’ case they were probably incorrect but so what?

Likewise; Torah keepers and Hellenized believers can not anathematize each other over their unique and nuanced ideas. They don’t have to agree but they have to accept each other.

There is none in of heresy; a sin of ideas and explanations so bad that they put you out of grace.
 
Mojo said:
Yes, but then we get into “Spirit” discussions.

Some anti polygyny folks will say, “Gods Spirit tells me that polygyny is wrong and I don’t want to go against what God says, and neither should you.”

Written word would contradict that. What trumps what?
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The Spirit has nothing do with disobedience or Yah’s Laws.
 
steve said:
The Spirit has nothing do with disobedience or Yah’s Laws.
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I’m not saying the Spirit would contradict written instructions.

But…folks often use the “God told me…such and such conviction”.

I presume I know what your response would be, but to what do you say to those that insist something based on Spirit conversation?
 
Mojo said:
I’m not saying the Spirit would contradict written instructions.

But…folks often use the “God told me…such and such conviction”.

I presume I know what your response would be, but to what do you say to those that insist something based on Spirit conversation?
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I would say that we know that the written word is inspired by God and we know that we have scriptures telling us to test all spirits because not all are good. So, in light of those two things, the written word is supreme.
 
Mojo said:
I’m not saying the Spirit would contradict written instructions.

But…folks often use the “God told me…such and such conviction”.

I presume I know what your response would be, but to what do you say to those that insist something based on Spirit conversation?
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It would depend on the circumstances, but I’d pretty much ignore anything that would violate His Law.

Has Yah spoken through the Spirit or any other way? He has in my life.
 
steve said:
It would depend on the circumstances, but I’d pretty much ignore anything that would violate His Law.

Has Yah spoken through the Spirit or any other way? He has in my life.
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As He has in mine? If that voice seems contradictory to written instruction, or what I interpret as the correct understanding to written instruction, what’s the solution?
 
Mojo said:
As He has in mine? If that voice seems contradictory to written instruction, or what I interpret as the correct understanding to written instruction, what’s the solution?
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Almost always Scripture would trump.
Again, it would depend on the circumstances.
I can’t predict the possibilities, do you have any scenarios in mind?
 
steve said:
Almost always Scripture would trump.
Again, it would depend on the circumstances.
I can’t predict the possibilities, do you have any scenarios in mind?
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Not anything in particular.

I’m just thinking that plenty of folks read the same scriptures that we do, but don’t see them in any way permitting plural marriages. I believe their sincere conviction that they believe it would violate scripture. I honor their belief that it is Spirit led. For us to say that they are wrong in their interpretation is in their eyes a violation of scripture AND Spirit. What is the path to reconcile that?
 
Mojo said:
Not anything in particular.

I’m just thinking that plenty of folks read the same scriptures that we do, but don’t see them in any way permitting plural marriages. I believe their sincere conviction that they believe it would violate scripture. I honor their belief that it is Spirit led. For us to say that they are wrong in their interpretation is in their eyes a violation of scripture AND Spirit. What is the path to reconcile that?
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Honest bible based discussions without rancor. A willingness to discuss without inferring evil intentions. Peace. Prayer. Love.
Rinse and repeat as needed...
 
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