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Guess I'm not welcomed

Mojo said:
Not anything in particular.

I’m just thinking that plenty of folks read the same scriptures that we do, but don’t see them in any way permitting plural marriages. I believe their sincere conviction that they believe it would violate scripture. I honor their belief that it is Spirit led. For us to say that they are wrong in their interpretation is in their eyes a violation of scripture AND Spirit. What is the path to reconcile that?
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The problems we mostly encounter arise from the presuppositional level, so the need is to start our discussions and address faulty presuppositions first. The Holy Scriptures are the breathed out Word of God, having all authority. Perhaps this is why God has commanded that we preach the gospel, make disciples, and teach them(?) The foundation is then laid in the Truth and we build upon that foundation. If there is no Rock sold foundation the structure crumbles in the storm of life.

There are many people who have taken His name in vain. They are the tares, the "Lord, Lord" sayers. Get the foundation down, or check what foundation there is before trying to build. If we are not grounded in the same Book, trying to understand His Word with the same, or very similar presuppositions, we're probably not going to make much progress.

Just my £ 0.02.
 
Mojo said:
I’m not saying the Spirit would contradict written instructions.

But…folks often use the “God told me…such and such conviction”.

I presume I know what your response would be, but to what do you say to those that insist something based on Spirit conversation?
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Isaiah 8:20
To the law (Torah) and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Spirits can disguise themselves as spirits of light. Example - how many men end up - unknowingly - marrying a woman with the spirit of Jezebel? You think if they knew 100% what they were getting themselves into they would proceed forward?

Also, didn’t Paul write that the adversary disguises himself as an angel of light - and so his followers do likewise?

Test the Spirits. The Creator says he’s the same yesterday today and tomorrow; and his Torah is an everlasting righteousness. That is the eternal rock.

Isaiah 26:4
Trust in the LORD forever, because YAH, the LORD, is an everlasting rock.
 
Mojo said:
As He has in mine? If that voice seems contradictory to written instruction, or what I interpret as the correct understanding to written instruction, what’s the solution?
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Start with "study, to show yourself approved.

As with polygyny, and, I contend, 'the Law is done away with,' we have in fact "inherited lies from our fathers." (Jeremiah 16:19)

There is no contradiction in His Written Word, as Written. If it's still 'seems contradictory,' then ask for a second witness. The real Ruach will provide it.
 
EWP said:
Having a moderator mention denominational beliefs several times after I stated that I'm an ordained minister and then locking the thread before I could respond to that suggest to me that I'm not welcomed here. So be it.

The God for us non-denominational minsters.

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Hah! I was a non-denominational pastor for years until I discovered the Baptists believed exactly what I believed. From that point on, I just started calling myself a Baptist. And you know what? People then understood where I stood positionally. They understood I believed the Scriptures to be the Word of God and my instruction in life. They understood I believed in Redemption through Jesus Christ, the Lord. They understood that baptism is by immersion. They understood that I believed in the Sovereignty of God. By simply calling myself Baptist (though at that time I had never pastored a Baptist Church), they knew exactly what I believed: The Bible. After that, I studied the history of the Baptists. And after that, I knew how important it was to identify myself as Baptist.
 
An early 'pioneer' in open polygyny, and 'deliverance minister' that some here would remember once told me that, among denominations, he had more Baptist preachers call and ask about polygyny than any other.

And YET, they were still all afraid that if they openly admitted what Scripture really said about marriage - they'd ALL be out of a job - or, 'not welcome'...
 
The Revolting Man said:
It would be allowable and probably advisable. If they won’t come into compliance then yes, I would limit fellowship.
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At retreats, food distinctions aren’t generally made and there are at least two camps of thought. What is your opinion of that fellowship?
 
Mojo said:
At retreats, food distinctions aren’t generally made and there are at least two camps of thought. What is your opinion of that fellowship?
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Mojo, I feel like there’s a breakdown of communication here. No on at retreats are committing sexual immorality or eating blood or things strangled or things offered to idols. So what objection could I have?
 
The Revolting Man said:
Mojo, I feel like there’s a breakdown of communication here. No on at retreats are committing sexual immorality or eating blood or things strangled or things offered to idols. So what objection could I have?
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Forget the sexual immorality or idolatry. Nobody checks beds or altars at retreats.

But, there are no explicit food restrictions either. Options are generally offered, but I’ve never seen warnings or exclusions either. People could very easily be ordering

I’m not advocating for food warnings, restrictions or exclusions at retreats or anywhere else. That’s not my point.

I’m just enquiring to assess your full stance. You say the prohibitions in Acts are the minimum, but are they really your minimum?

I’m not trying to trap you. I just want to know the extent of your argument and your implementation and expectations of yourself and others. Simple dialogue.

It’s possible that my written communication is lacking.
 
Mojo said:
Forget the sexual immorality or idolatry. Nobody checks beds or altars at retreats.

But, there are no explicit food restrictions either. Options are generally offered, but I’ve never seen warnings or exclusions either. People could very easily be ordering

I’m not advocating for food warnings, restrictions or exclusions at retreats or anywhere else. That’s not my point.

I’m just enquiring to assess your full stance. You say the prohibitions in Acts are the minimum, but are they really your minimum?

I’m not trying to trap you. I just want to know the extent of your argument and your implementation and expectations of yourself and others. Simple dialogue.

It’s possible that my written communication is lacking.
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I’m not the council of Jerusalem police. Just like Paul says that I don’t have to verify if meat was offered at an altar, only to reject it if I find out that it was; I feel no compunction to challenge everyone I meet on their adherence to Acts 15. It’s not a standard for acquaintances anyway; it’s a standard for fellowship in the assembly. Retreats aren’t that.
 
The Revolting Man said:
I’m not the council of Jerusalem police. Just like Paul says that I don’t have to verify if meat was offered at an altar, only to reject it if I find out that it was; I feel no compunction to challenge everyone I meet on their adherence to Acts 15. It’s not a standard for acquaintances anyway; it’s a standard for fellowship in the assembly. Retreats aren’t that.
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Thank you for your perspective.
 
PastorLarry said:
Hah! I was a non-denominational pastor for years until I discovered the Baptists believed exactly what I believed. From that point on, I just started calling myself a Baptist. And you know what? People then understood where I stood positionally. They understood I believed the Scriptures to be the Word of God and my instruction in life. They understood I believed in Redemption through Jesus Christ, the Lord. They understood that baptism is by immersion. They understood that I believed in the Sovereignty of God. By simply calling myself Baptist (though at that time I had never pastored a Baptist Church), they knew exactly what I believed: The Bible. After that, I studied the history of the Baptists. And after that, I knew how important it was to identify myself as Baptist.
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When I went to the PK Men's March in Washington back in the day (anyone remember that?), we had a very small group from our church going, so we hitched a ride with the Baptists on their bus. I remember hearing them say, "I am a Christian first and a Baptists second!" and thinking to myself, why do you need the second part?

I have long thought that identifying as anything other than with Jesus goes against the teachings in 1 Cor 3.
 
cnystrom said:
I have long thought that identifying as anything other than with Jesus goes against the teachings in 1 Cor 3.
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I agree, but, depending on the people you are talking with, it helps people get an idea of where you might stand on certain doctrines. You are still identifying with Jesus Christ, just a little more clearly.
 
Christian, disciple, follower. All good terms. But, the modifiers do help to explain your perspectives without having to delve too deeply into them and one by one. It shortens the “get to know you” period.

But then, you end up having to describe your modifier even more if you belong, or have an affinity within that group…. Free will Baptists, reformed baptists, independent baptists, southern Baptists, black baptists…..
 
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