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Guess I'm not welcomed
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Man_in_the_Middle
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Eh.... It's not you... Collateral damage...Having a moderator mention denominational beliefs several times after I stated that I'm an ordained minister and then locking the thread before I could respond to that suggest to me that I'm not welcomed here. So be it.
The God for us non-denominational minsters.
I see emotions rage at times... It fades with time....Hang in there!
Don't let it bother you. There's a few of us here who were pastors in former lives, but we got the left boot of non-fellowship for upholding the biblical truth of marriage over superstition and traditions. I myself was an independent Bible Church pastor for nearly 20 years, so we can relate to your situation. CheersHaving a moderator mention denominational beliefs several times after I stated that I'm an ordained minister and then locking the thread before I could respond to that suggest to me that I'm not welcomed here. So be it.
The God for us non-denominational minsters.
Some of us, however, HAVE been given the "left foot" more than once here, publicly and privately, and told that NOT ANY of our teachings, podcasts, or news shows will survive immediate deletion, even when VERY topical. And it's personal.
And in that very thread mentioned, again reminded that we are free to leave if we insist that Scripture (and His Instruction, in particular) should be fair game on a forum allegedly dedicated to discussion of marriage and patriarchy. At which His Instruction is the very Root.
And in that very thread mentioned, again reminded that we are free to leave if we insist that Scripture (and His Instruction, in particular) should be fair game on a forum allegedly dedicated to discussion of marriage and patriarchy. At which His Instruction is the very Root.
You are slandering just like the post that got that thread locked, You were not told to leave, although some of us would not be too unhappy if you did., for all the ruckus you have been raising and flouting the rules. You were told to feel free to start your own forum where you can use the freedom of speech you were complaining about not having here. You are still welcome here, if you can ever figure out how to appreciate the free access you have to a forum without intentionally trying to foster more disunity amongst those of us who already have enough battles to fight without you trying to impose your beliefs on us! You really are pushing your luck. We will happily direct anyone who really wants to fight whatever battle you wish to participate in, to your platform if you choose to create one, but those arguments are not welcome here, and you know it! You start whining about free speech. You have all the free speech you could ever ask for and then some, just not on someone else's platform, when they have made it clear that that topic is off limits!
Nope! We have made it quite clear that you are welcome here, and I personally expressed gratitude to you for following the rules of this forum.Having a moderator mention denominational beliefs several times after I stated that I'm an ordained minister and then locking the thread before I could respond to that suggest to me that I'm not welcomed here. So be it.
The God for us non-denominational minsters.
I love a good old fashioned bum fight men. I’ve participated in them freely and with wild abandon. They are invigorating to me, but they are destructive to many, many people.
One of the only reasons I was made a moderator was to try and discourage my gleeful participation in and even initiation of free for alls. If you really dislike my moderating then the best way to get rid of me is to foster an atmosphere of irenic ministry on the forum.
We have several callings in this organization. The core one is to strengthen and support practicing plural families. Most of that happens outside of the forums. Our secondary ministry is to promote the topics of biblical marriage and patriarchy and our tertiary ministry is to try and shepherd those people who are in the almost always chaotic process of learning these truths.
While this is our third most important focus, it happens to be the one we perform the most. It also happens to be the one that can have the most immediate impact on the lives of hurting people.
Both men and women who are confronting these truths for the first time can have very extreme and possibly destructive reactions to them. Men who have spent their lives enclaved to a false doctrine that condemns them to a hopeless hellscape of condemnation and recrimination can explode too far out of the gate and destroy themselves and their families.
Women, who have lived their entire lives coddled in a false security of empty lies, can lash out in fear and outrage.
We can not help these people if we tell them they have to accept an entirely new and very foreign theology. We can not help them if we are too busy jousting at each other over matters that do not relate to our core mission.
We are not called to promote anything beyond the apostle’s creed and biblical marriage. Those concepts can and indeed should be confronted on their own, without any denominational lens.
Baptists should not be told they can’t pursue the truth unless they accept every other perceived truth of whoever is loudest on the forum in any given period.
And just because we will not have bum fights about a topic doesn’t mean we can have a bum fight about not having a bum fight. There will be no bum fights. Everyone is welcome here but not everyone belongs here. If you have other interests then pursue them somewhere else. If you are interested in what we are interested in then your involvement is coveted.
Please govern yourselves accordingly.
One of the only reasons I was made a moderator was to try and discourage my gleeful participation in and even initiation of free for alls. If you really dislike my moderating then the best way to get rid of me is to foster an atmosphere of irenic ministry on the forum.
We have several callings in this organization. The core one is to strengthen and support practicing plural families. Most of that happens outside of the forums. Our secondary ministry is to promote the topics of biblical marriage and patriarchy and our tertiary ministry is to try and shepherd those people who are in the almost always chaotic process of learning these truths.
While this is our third most important focus, it happens to be the one we perform the most. It also happens to be the one that can have the most immediate impact on the lives of hurting people.
Both men and women who are confronting these truths for the first time can have very extreme and possibly destructive reactions to them. Men who have spent their lives enclaved to a false doctrine that condemns them to a hopeless hellscape of condemnation and recrimination can explode too far out of the gate and destroy themselves and their families.
Women, who have lived their entire lives coddled in a false security of empty lies, can lash out in fear and outrage.
We can not help these people if we tell them they have to accept an entirely new and very foreign theology. We can not help them if we are too busy jousting at each other over matters that do not relate to our core mission.
We are not called to promote anything beyond the apostle’s creed and biblical marriage. Those concepts can and indeed should be confronted on their own, without any denominational lens.
Baptists should not be told they can’t pursue the truth unless they accept every other perceived truth of whoever is loudest on the forum in any given period.
And just because we will not have bum fights about a topic doesn’t mean we can have a bum fight about not having a bum fight. There will be no bum fights. Everyone is welcome here but not everyone belongs here. If you have other interests then pursue them somewhere else. If you are interested in what we are interested in then your involvement is coveted.
Please govern yourselves accordingly.
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We can not help people who have been fed lies if the Truth is verbotten, either.
I've seen more damage done by failing to tell men what they need to hear than just about anything else. Including offending them.
We can tell them the truth about marriage without getting into Sabbath keeping, circumcision, and dietary practices. This is Biblical Families. Create the Biblical Sabbath Keepers site or the Biblical Dietary site and take those discussions there. And I'll stay away from those sites and not try to turn them into something else. Simple
i was going to quote the same part, mark.
admin, i dont have a dog in this fight really and i hope i can phrase this with humility... if your problem with TO is that it's "entirely new and foreign" well then you are making a similar argument that the religious leaders made against jesus...
..which is to say it is begging the question.
it is the pronomian (mine), and TO (mark), position that jesus didn't teach something new and foreign. he was encouraging people to return to what is and was true, eternally so.
even rebuking with harsh language at times.
knowing himself that such harsh language would not result in the conversion of those hearing it.
i dont think you should muzzle people for saying things which you think aren't true just because they might not be true.
i do agree you should muzzle people for being nasty, if mark is/was, but only if nastiness was used in wrong circumstances.
nastiness is definitely sometimes called for, our messiah being chief exemplar of such.
but not always. im not being nasty to you right now. i think mark could use to be less nasty.
but i dont think you should throw the baby out with the bathwater and say that the position of nasty people should be censored because the people who represent it are always nasty.
maybe it would be better to teach the nasties to be more charitable and considerate when representing what they believe.
i think that would be fine.
but this is just my opinion. i know very little of what has gone on. and it is not my place to police. i hope i have contributed to truth and beauty.
admin, i dont have a dog in this fight really and i hope i can phrase this with humility... if your problem with TO is that it's "entirely new and foreign" well then you are making a similar argument that the religious leaders made against jesus...
..which is to say it is begging the question.
it is the pronomian (mine), and TO (mark), position that jesus didn't teach something new and foreign. he was encouraging people to return to what is and was true, eternally so.
even rebuking with harsh language at times.
knowing himself that such harsh language would not result in the conversion of those hearing it.
i dont think you should muzzle people for saying things which you think aren't true just because they might not be true.
i do agree you should muzzle people for being nasty, if mark is/was, but only if nastiness was used in wrong circumstances.
nastiness is definitely sometimes called for, our messiah being chief exemplar of such.
but not always. im not being nasty to you right now. i think mark could use to be less nasty.
but i dont think you should throw the baby out with the bathwater and say that the position of nasty people should be censored because the people who represent it are always nasty.
maybe it would be better to teach the nasties to be more charitable and considerate when representing what they believe.
i think that would be fine.
but this is just my opinion. i know very little of what has gone on. and it is not my place to police. i hope i have contributed to truth and beauty.
It’s nothing personal or directed to you, brother. Please feel free to engage and bring your thoughts. Your experience in the pulpit and expertise in ministry are welcome. From time to time this forum gets bogged down in one particular topic. You just happened to enter the room right when the fit hit the shan. You got caught in the spray.Having a moderator mention denominational beliefs several times after I stated that I'm an ordained minister and then locking the thread before I could respond to that suggest to me that I'm not welcomed here. So be it.
The God for us non-denominational minsters.
What @The Revolting Man was referring to was visitors who come to this site looking for support in their search for their questions to a new and foreign doctrine of polygyny…and then met with another “new and foreign” topic which they may have never encountered (Torah keeping).
It’s a lot of new and foreign concepts to be digesting.
The primacy of the forum is to get these people help in their current battle, not saddle them with another skirmish.
This is pathological.
To those who insist on taking us on this merry-go-round, please stop.
It’s not that your viewpoints aren’t valid, or not appreciated. They are. But, they can be presented much differently. There was a book written many years ago called “How to Win Friends and Influence People”. When this certain topic comes up around her, it turns into:
“How to Lose Members and Get People To Hate Us.”
I’m living proof that people can be greatly influenced when this topic is discussed politely. I’m much more sympathetic to the concept of Torah Keeping than I was before becoming a regular member of this forum years ago. I actually agree with many, if not most of the basic concept, I just don’t claim to be of that camp, nor would anyone of that camp recognize me as one of theirs since I’m only a sympathizer, not a full practitioner.
To conclude.
This is not a public space. It displays to the public, but it’s an entirely private organization that reserves the right to make rules we must all abide by. If that’s not able to be done, then please get off the ride and invest in your own amusement park.
To those who insist on taking us on this merry-go-round, please stop.
It’s not that your viewpoints aren’t valid, or not appreciated. They are. But, they can be presented much differently. There was a book written many years ago called “How to Win Friends and Influence People”. When this certain topic comes up around her, it turns into:
“How to Lose Members and Get People To Hate Us.”
I’m living proof that people can be greatly influenced when this topic is discussed politely. I’m much more sympathetic to the concept of Torah Keeping than I was before becoming a regular member of this forum years ago. I actually agree with many, if not most of the basic concept, I just don’t claim to be of that camp, nor would anyone of that camp recognize me as one of theirs since I’m only a sympathizer, not a full practitioner.
To conclude.
This is not a public space. It displays to the public, but it’s an entirely private organization that reserves the right to make rules we must all abide by. If that’s not able to be done, then please get off the ride and invest in your own amusement park.
No argument there, but we can’t presume everyone can. In times of crisis, the brain often goes into fight or flight mode. Various body functions are altered under such a state. That would include thought processes and mental capacity being preserved for the immediate task at hand.
Whether it’s evident or not, people visit this site while in the midst of various crises. For some, just the introduction of this topic is confusing enough. For others, they’ve decided to enter this lifestyle without much thought and are now in the thick of regret, rejection, and destruction in their lives.