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Guess I'm not welcomed
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And if the ministry had a dollar for every time someone demanded that they had the truth that everyone had to agree with we would own our own retreat center.
If we had another dollar for every time those self styled prophets agreed with each other we’d be back to zero, and if we had a third dollar for every time one of them was actually right we would be in debt a retreat center/
Acts 15 tells us what we can require of each other theologically and it’s a very short list. If you want to add to that list then you have to show proof of your apostleship.
If they are able to digest more than one “new doctrine” at a time, give them the courtesy to hear it and reject it without negativity, or be intrigued and ask for more.
And the truth isn’t verboten here. Untruth and half truths are though. You are slinging around false accusations again.
I note - again - that there is a "Women Only" section where men can "be intrigued," and read. But NOT post. That same could have been done for those who believe that He meant it when He said "I change NOT."
For some time, it was. BF was far better then, far more active, far more interesting, and far more valuable. And those who wanted to read, study, and understand Scripture that might even be "new and foreign"...
...could.
The choice does NOT have to be: "Shut up, don't participate - or go away."
I can testify that, In My Experience, many more people have come to a complete understanding of marriage by starting with OTHER things...
Prophecy, Food, Sabbath, His Moedim, even "honest weights" as opposed to 'currency' than a "monoscopic" focus.
It's a bit like a "doctor" who wants to treat every ailment the same way: "Take a vaccine!" And, "don't you dare suggest there could be a problem with my approach." Fine. People can go to that "private clinic" if they choose. But don't tell me he is "doing God's work."
And he will never know how many people he turned away, or worse.
I can testify that, In My Experience, many more people have come to a complete understanding of marriage by starting with OTHER things...
Prophecy, Food, Sabbath, His Moedim, even "honest weights" as opposed to 'currency' than a "monoscopic" focus.
It's a bit like a "doctor" who wants to treat every ailment the same way: "Take a vaccine!" And, "don't you dare suggest there could be a problem with my approach." Fine. People can go to that "private clinic" if they choose. But don't tell me he is "doing God's work."
And he will never know how many people he turned away, or worse.
Wrong. But you'd ignore - or delete - the correction.
FYI: I have had my "own forum" (more than one, in fact) since before you were here. But it is Verbotten for me to even post links to 'em.
Still, I have sent quite a few people in THIS direction. Although, not so much any more - they get rejected.
Private messaging is an option.
Many other approaches have been taken over the years and it always devolved into….this!
It’s insanity to keep doing the same thing over again in search of a different outcome. After a while, you have to forcibly cut off the opportunity. It’s risking less traffic, but it’s ensuring a more pleasant experience.
We either respect the rules or we leave.
No shoes
No shirt
No service
And just as insane to PROHIBIT doing what has already been demonstrated to work.
So - AGAIN: What WORKS?
Put the Ghetto that once existed publicly, and successfully, back, and limit access to those who CHOOSE to participate in Scripture-oriented discussion of all of His Instruction.
JUST LIKE HAS BEEN DONE FOR YEARS with the WOMEN ONLY forum area.
Honestly, I can't help but believe the only reason that has NOT been done, long ago, was Zec's hope (no doubt echoed by some in this very thread) that by prohibiting that obvious option to those they demonize as "TO's" -- we will do what SO many other believers once here have done -- LEAVE BF.
Man_in_the_Middle
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I doubt it. Not liking Mormon doctrine is a world apart from hating all members of that church. Just like not liking the politics of zionism is a world apart from hating all people who support it. I've been called an Israel hater, while ironically I consider all believers in Yeshua/Jesus to be part of the same body... as in fellow members... part of the Israel YHWH calls His people.....as in I include them. I just don't support those who are NOT redeemed, who currently hate and actively oppose The King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
I pray for them in my community..... but won't give them money to use against the truth.
Brother, you’re exemplifying my point.
I love you as a fellow believer. I really love your input on many, many issues. I’m very sympathetic to many (not all) of your doctrines. I just can’t agree with your approach. It’s just not my style. It’s not a style conducive to a site with such a diversity of thoughts and experiences.
The admin, moderators and owners of this site have done what they feel is best for this ministry. You disagree, yet still come back for more. I just don’t understand.
Your approach only continues to give your doctrinal perspective and movement a negative impression around here. Torah folks weren’t necessarily run off, they left precisely because of what you’re displaying…a need to be right, and no ability to understand that others disagree with good intentions and pure motives, as well as solid biblical support. It’s a dogged fundamentalism that many of us have found repelling in the brick and mortar churches that can’t open their minds to the doctrine of polygyny. They insist that their understanding is the only understanding and launch into emotive tactics. You emote way too much and carry a hair trigger with a vendetta. It’s exhausting.
Again, I love you brother but something’s got to give.
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Nah. Not hate of you. There’s just not many folks here who hold to your beliefs. And, since you blend into conversations and try to add perspectives, not invectives, it works.
Nah, I'm not a hater, so it's only 96%.
Actually we probably could let that conversation develop. It would probably get locked eventually but until it did it definitely could fit inside of our mission statement.
Also, you’re going to lose the conversation spectacularly and quickly. The text is explicit that the council of Jerusalem is an immutable minimum standard for good standing in the ecclesia.
And this is where folks like me (who have started becoming more and more pronomian) wonder how the church justified abandoning some aspects of the Acts 15 minimums for food.