As far as that viewpoint of scripture being promoted in an accredited university, I’m not aware of one either.
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Is It Time to Start Arranged Marriages Again?
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Ultra conservative independent baptist schools. Lots of extra biblical rules and regulations. Heck, up until a couple years ago, Pensacola didn’t even allow girls to wear pants.
Doesn’t sound like the colleges that were being described. May not be everyone’s cup of tea, but don’t sound like the party schools others were describing.
But...it’s veering off topic just a bit from arranged marriages. @Jason Cook
What’s your viewpoint of sending a daughter to such a school to help with “arrangements”?
For what type of man would your daughter be perfect wife?
Besides, you are more likely to find people who are more "stuck" in conventional ways of thinking there. And they don't look fondly on Christian poly supporters.
So you need somebody who prefers faith based living, while being open minded and more mentally flexible. Combination which often doesn't come together.
Because some men can't attract a woman on their own merits.
While this is true, I believe there’s a good number of men on this forum who are interested in “guided” marriages (you can call it arranged) for our daughters. It means assisting our daughters (who trust our judgment) in finding suitable men with proper work ethic, spiritual acumen and future prospects. Ultimately, they make the final decision, but we assist in the headhunting.
I think guiding a young woman is always a good thing.
"Arranged" marriages often indicate something that isn't exactly consensual on the part of the young woman and if you go that way then keep in mind that humorless people with badges and guns might come to see you.
Agreed.
A godly man must arrange marriage for his daughter if he is to steward his home and children in obedience. If we look at arrange by definition as to put in order or organize and make plans for. It is important for a daughter to understand she belongs to her father and know he has the ability to give her to whom he will and to be trusting him to give her to whom God has for her to belong to. It is also important for a father to know and act in obedience to God anf that it is a weighty matter.
Ecclesiasticus 7:25
“Marry thy daughter, and so shalt thou have performed a weighty matter: but give her to a man of understanding.”
Ecclesiasticus 26:23
“A wicked woman is given as a portion to a wicked man: but a godly woman is given to him that feareth the Lord.”
I do think Yah arranges marriages even in the cases of giving wicked women to wicked men.
In conclusion men are instructed to give their daughters to good husbands, men of understanding in obedience to God, this should be carefully done in wisdom. I do think I wise man will know his daughter, have a relationship with her as she is his husbandry and is capable of vetting and giving a godly daughter to a godly man.
Ecclesiasticus 26:10
“If thy daughter be shameless, keep her in straitly, lest she abuse herself through overmuch liberty.”
Ecclesiasticus 7:25
“Marry thy daughter, and so shalt thou have performed a weighty matter: but give her to a man of understanding.”
Ecclesiasticus 26:23
“A wicked woman is given as a portion to a wicked man: but a godly woman is given to him that feareth the Lord.”
I do think Yah arranges marriages even in the cases of giving wicked women to wicked men.
In conclusion men are instructed to give their daughters to good husbands, men of understanding in obedience to God, this should be carefully done in wisdom. I do think I wise man will know his daughter, have a relationship with her as she is his husbandry and is capable of vetting and giving a godly daughter to a godly man.
Ecclesiasticus 26:10
“If thy daughter be shameless, keep her in straitly, lest she abuse herself through overmuch liberty.”
I agree. I don't see it as a forced upon marriage - the daughter has the free will to say no. But the father should be guiding her to suitable men; just like fathers today guide their daughters to suitable colleges.
For many women - college should not be the priority. College is known for its sexual liberation, and a place full of temptation to sin against the Most High. Is it not better that the father helps find her a husband first, and then the husband and wife can discuss college? At least in that way - she has a covering (her husband) who can fulfill her sexual needs instead of sinning against the Most High.
Yes, It would seem sending a daughter uncovered to college would be very unwise and it would seem much better to leave her more advanced education to her husbands digression. I would however say a woman under a godly fathers headship has freewill to marry whom she will in the same way we have freewill to steal something.
Just remember that women will always dictate the the intellectual and aesthetic quality of the home. Educating your daughter is educating your grandchildren.
The churches should be helping in this regard. If a woman turns 18 and wants to be a mother and help raise godly children, then there should always be an option. The church can say - we don’t have any monogamous men we approve of - but there’s plenty of men that we approve of that are looking to add an additional wife. How about you spend some time with one of their households (with your father’s permission) - see if you get along with everyone - and if everything is good - get your father’s blessing and proceed with the one flesh marriage.
The churches would rather they go out into the world, and in most cases sin against the Most High; versus submitting themselves to the perfect Word of the Almighty. So if the churches are in submission to His Word (Yeshua is the Word made flesh) - they would teach the truth on biblical marriage - and thereby these women wouldn’t be sinning, but helping grow his kingdom.
In the 1611 version of the KJV - there is a book that was removed in the future editions of the KJV - but it says this about the judgment day for those that don’t make it:
For there be many that perish in this life, because they despise the Lawe of God that is set before them.
How many teachers reject biblical polygyny - simply because they despise it? Remember - YAH looks upon with favor those that tremble at his Word (Isaiah 66:2). When teachers of religious law throw biblical polygyny under the bus - they are doing the opposite of fearing His Word - they are treating his word with contempt. Even if a teacher despises polygyny with all his heart, soul, and strength - that person still has an obligation to teach that it's a "Holy, Righteous, and Good" option for women desiring to be mothers. Otherwise, get a different profession and stop robbing from the Almighty. Is it better these women marry pagans? Sleep around? Marry a monogamous man that teaches his children that "pride month" is okay? In many cases - that's exactly what is happening. Not only are those actual sins - worse yet - they raise their children to be as godless as they are. Enforced monogamy contributes to homosexuality and ungodliness in children (future generations). If biblical polygyny was taught as "Holy, Righteous, and Good" those same men would find it very hard finding a wife (unless they adapt and raise their bar), because women would have way more options in marriage. So biblical polygyny fights against ungodliness, instead of rewarding ungodliness.
Matthew 23:13
What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.
Proverbs 28:4
Those that forsake the torah praise ungodliness; but those that keep the torah resist them.
Since the majority of Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants forsake the righteousness of biblical polygyny (found in the torah) - they will be responsible for the lawlessness and sexual immorality their man-made tradition of monogamy only brought forth. I believe their only chance is to repent and submit to YAH's ways, and may the blood and grace of Yeshua wash them clean of their sin. Otherwise, there is a lot of blood on their hands.
Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
The churches would rather they go out into the world, and in most cases sin against the Most High; versus submitting themselves to the perfect Word of the Almighty. So if the churches are in submission to His Word (Yeshua is the Word made flesh) - they would teach the truth on biblical marriage - and thereby these women wouldn’t be sinning, but helping grow his kingdom.
In the 1611 version of the KJV - there is a book that was removed in the future editions of the KJV - but it says this about the judgment day for those that don’t make it:
For there be many that perish in this life, because they despise the Lawe of God that is set before them.
How many teachers reject biblical polygyny - simply because they despise it? Remember - YAH looks upon with favor those that tremble at his Word (Isaiah 66:2). When teachers of religious law throw biblical polygyny under the bus - they are doing the opposite of fearing His Word - they are treating his word with contempt. Even if a teacher despises polygyny with all his heart, soul, and strength - that person still has an obligation to teach that it's a "Holy, Righteous, and Good" option for women desiring to be mothers. Otherwise, get a different profession and stop robbing from the Almighty. Is it better these women marry pagans? Sleep around? Marry a monogamous man that teaches his children that "pride month" is okay? In many cases - that's exactly what is happening. Not only are those actual sins - worse yet - they raise their children to be as godless as they are. Enforced monogamy contributes to homosexuality and ungodliness in children (future generations). If biblical polygyny was taught as "Holy, Righteous, and Good" those same men would find it very hard finding a wife (unless they adapt and raise their bar), because women would have way more options in marriage. So biblical polygyny fights against ungodliness, instead of rewarding ungodliness.
Matthew 23:13
What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.
Proverbs 28:4
Those that forsake the torah praise ungodliness; but those that keep the torah resist them.
Since the majority of Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants forsake the righteousness of biblical polygyny (found in the torah) - they will be responsible for the lawlessness and sexual immorality their man-made tradition of monogamy only brought forth. I believe their only chance is to repent and submit to YAH's ways, and may the blood and grace of Yeshua wash them clean of their sin. Otherwise, there is a lot of blood on their hands.
Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
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i like the solution that your post suggests... that of believers accepting polygyny as valid marriage and encouraging women toward lawful (according to YHWH) marriage.
I love @MeganC connecting this to government because many people have expectations of government...and churches ....maybe because of rose colored idealistic....unreasonable assumptions. They give those "authorities" credit....too much credit....assuming that first they are authorized by the Most High... then that their intentions are to serve Him.
Reading that paper linked here called "The Esau Affect (Effect?) Was eye opening for me. I saw that every government man has made is idolatry and the horrific damage they cause to the world in REPLACING what YHWH authorized with man made CRAP.
YHWH Authorised a Patriarchal Theocracy.
Man wanted a king.....then to tell "the king" his limits (republic) the people get the government they deserve....and they rejected YHWH.
THE CHURCH should not exist as it does BECAUSE IT SHOULD HAVE NO AUTHORITY OUTSIDE IF WHAT YHWH AUTHORIZED.
This thing called church should not advise young women in marriage!! That is her father's job!!!
Basically the only purpose of church is fellowship. . And perhaps caring for the poor.
IN THE CONTEXT OF FELLOWSHIP there is a responsibility ON EVERY MAN to hold other MEN accountable for their actions.....making sure that teaching and behavior are SUBJECT to YHWH.
Ted Weiland has an audio called "Could you be a disciples of Baal...and not know it. Or something like that. He also wrote a book Bible Law v the US Constitution.
These help you flip your thinking from "The churches should..." to realizing we give them too much credit and submit to them as authorities.....when we aught to be calling them to repentance from the door like the prophet of old!! "How long halt ye between two opinions? If YHWH be God then SERVE HIM!"
DO what He authorized!
Thy Kingdom come
I love @MeganC connecting this to government because many people have expectations of government...and churches ....maybe because of rose colored idealistic....unreasonable assumptions. They give those "authorities" credit....too much credit....assuming that first they are authorized by the Most High... then that their intentions are to serve Him.
Reading that paper linked here called "The Esau Affect (Effect?) Was eye opening for me. I saw that every government man has made is idolatry and the horrific damage they cause to the world in REPLACING what YHWH authorized with man made CRAP.
YHWH Authorised a Patriarchal Theocracy.
Man wanted a king.....then to tell "the king" his limits (republic) the people get the government they deserve....and they rejected YHWH.
THE CHURCH should not exist as it does BECAUSE IT SHOULD HAVE NO AUTHORITY OUTSIDE IF WHAT YHWH AUTHORIZED.
This thing called church should not advise young women in marriage!! That is her father's job!!!
Basically the only purpose of church is fellowship. . And perhaps caring for the poor.
IN THE CONTEXT OF FELLOWSHIP there is a responsibility ON EVERY MAN to hold other MEN accountable for their actions.....making sure that teaching and behavior are SUBJECT to YHWH.
They should accept polygyny.
Because they serve the modern HUMANISTIC (human so called values) Baal system.
But they are NOT. They serve another self made/man made God.
Ted Weiland has an audio called "Could you be a disciples of Baal...and not know it. Or something like that. He also wrote a book Bible Law v the US Constitution.
These help you flip your thinking from "The churches should..." to realizing we give them too much credit and submit to them as authorities.....when we aught to be calling them to repentance from the door like the prophet of old!! "How long halt ye between two opinions? If YHWH be God then SERVE HIM!"
DO what He authorized!
Thy Kingdom come
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The time will come when we will have churches that will be willing to consider this.
They are already here. Some of us just eschew the term 'church,' however, for exactly such reasons.
OttoM said:
The churches should be helping in this regard.
So, I am working with the term that he chose to use.
EDIT: I see Jason Cook likes what I posted, but I just want to add, I wish that Biblical Families had an interactive map that we can see clusters of where people live. It would give us a good idea of where we could plant small home groups that could eventually grow in size as we reach more people for Christ. I am going to tell you, it is hard to do outreach in a neighborhood that you don't live near.
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